KISSIMMEE, Fla. - Spring training is supposed to be a time of hope.
Unless you're the Houston Astros. Or the Miami Marlins.
With no-name rosters and in the midst of massive rebuilding jobs, Houston and Miami are more likely to be remembered as among the worst teams in recent history than for making an improbable run at the playoffs.
The Astros lost 107 games last year, after 106 defeats in 2011. Houston's main goal will be trying to avoid becoming the first team since the expansion New York Mets in the 1960s to lose at least 106 games in three straight years.
"No one expects us to do well," Lucas Harrell said Thursday, after pitching in a spring training game against the New York Yankees. "So, when we do well, it's going to be kind of like, 'Oh, wow.' I definitely think we have a chance to shock a lot of people this year."
Brave words, especially when the Astros face the additional burden of moving from the NL into what looks like the toughest division in baseball, the AL West. They'll be matched regularly against two 2012 playoff teams - Oakland and Texas - plus the high-priced Los Angeles Angels, who have three of the game's most dynamic players.
Down in Miami, owner Jeffrey Loria totally dismantled the Marlins after a disappointing debut season in a new stadium paid for largely with public tax dollars. He's now a pariah in south Florida and a laughingstock through the rest of the baseball, settling for a roster that might do pretty well in Triple-A - but not in the big leagues.
"I'm still trying to learn their names," said Davey Johnson, manager of the NL East champion Washington Nationals. "I'm not even sure what position the names are going in."
He's not the only one.
After trading away nearly all their high-priced players in one stunning offseason, the Marlins are prepared to send out a lineup that includes five players with less two full seasons in the big leagues, plus a rotation that has only one starter with as many as 10 wins in a season.
"I feel like we have a plan," first-year manager Mike Redmond said. "Will it take a few years? Maybe. But we feel like we have a plan that's going to work with a lot of young players and a lot of young talent. I'm looking forward to the challenge and the opportunity."
Redmond keeps reminding his players he was one of 19 rookies on the 1998 Marlins, the remnants of a World Series title team that was torn apart by a previous owner. Five years later, many of those young players were the centerpiece of another title squad.
Of course, Redmond probably doesn't tell his team how the Marlins finished in '98 - 54-108.
"It's a fresh start," he said. "At the end of the day, man, nobody gives us a chance to do anything. We have the ability to go out and surprise some teams."
• What: Cubs vs. D-backs
• Where: Mesa
• When: 1:05 p.m.