Undeterred by opposition from his own party, Gov. Doug Ducey is determined to make another bid next year — assuming he’s still governor — to let parents and school officials ask judges to take guns away from people who are a danger to themselves or others.
In an interview with Capitol Media Services, the governor said he is disappointed that the Republican-controlled Legislature first diluted and then killed his school-safety plan.
He still contends the package was not only comprehensive but fair to everyone concerned. And Ducey said he believes the plan would help ensure that the mass school shootings occurring in other states do not happen here.
So what happened?
“Politics intervened,” he said.
Even before Ducey could get his proposal printed up, the governor had to jettison some key provisions because of GOP criticism. That included making adults liable when children get hold of unattended weapons and tightening up the ability of criminals whose civil rights were restored from also getting back their ability to own guns.
And by the time the measure got out of the Senate, the keystone of the plan — allowing judges to issue Severe Threat Orders of Protection — had been curbed so that only police could pursue such court action.
Sen. Steve Smith, R-Maricopa, argued that there’s no need to allow family members, school administrators, probation officers, behavioral health professionals, roommates and “significant others” to go to court to seek STOP orders. He said those concerned about someone’s behavior could simply call police.
Ducey sniffed at that contention.
“What laws have been broken if you’re scared of someone?” he asked.
And even what was left after the Senate got done with the bill could not get a hearing in the House.
Eddie Farnsworth, R-Gilbert, who chairs the Judiciary Committee said he had issues with the plan, not just the issue of forcing someone to surrender weapons but allowing a judge to order people locked up against their will for a mental evaluation.
So the session ended with the bill dead, and Ducey having to be content with getting some additional dollars in the budget for mental-health issues, including suicide prevention.
But the governor conceded he shares at least some of the blame for the failure of the plan.
That starts with the fact that Ducey did not unveil his package until March 19, more than two months into the session. Meanwhile there were other unforeseen events.
“I believe we would have been able to get more of the school-safety plan had our priorities not changed in April, that we wanted to focus on teacher pay,” he said.
So look for Ducey to reintroduce the plan when the session starts in January.
Smith, who is running for Congress, will be gone. And there could be more turnover among incumbents.
But it remains to be seen whether Ducey, if he is re-elected, can push such a plan through what could still be a Republican-controlled Legislature.
The big sticking point is those STOP orders and the whole idea that someone could be brought into court, ordered to undergo a mental examination and forced to surrender all weapons based on a complaint by someone else. Ducey said this isn’t just his idea.
“This law was brought together by superintendents and principals and teachers,” Ducey said, people who want to remove guns from dangerous people before they show up at a school.
And Ducey said there are clear examples of why STOP orders — and allowing those other than police to seek them — make sense. Start with Florida and the shooting deaths of 17 students and faculty in Parkland.
“Nikolas Cruz had 39 visits from social services, was identified by name to the FBI, and actually posted on YouTube that this was something that he wanted to do,” the governor said.
“There was nothing they could do. There was no law that allowed them to do anything.”
Ditto Jared Loughner, who killed six people and seriously wounded others on Jan. 8, 2011, including then-Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was meeting with constituents in the parking lot of a Tucson Safeway, Ducey said.
“Similar things happened with him at Pima Community College,” he said.
Part of what may be working against the kind of legislation Ducey is proposing is that Arizona has not had the kind of school shootings that have plagued other states. The governor said that’s irrelevant.
“Why would this only be the focus in response to one of these school shootings?” he asked. “Why can’t we do something proactively?”
But Ducey sidestepped repeated questions about whether gun-rights groups like the National Rifle Association and the Arizona Citizens Defense League, both of which raised questions about the package and forced changes, are barriers to getting this kind of legislation passed.
“I believe we can get the full school-safety package passed,” the governor said. And if there’s a problem with that, “the onus is on us as elected leaders, the onus is on the Legislature to make the right vote.”
While Ducey’s plan had problems getting some Republican votes, the governor showed little interest in actively pursuing votes from Democrats. They opposed the package because it lacked some things they wanted, like universal background checks and a ban on “bump stocks” that can convert a semi-automatic rifle into the equivalent of a machine gun.
But the governor said those issues never came up when he was meeting with those who helped him craft the package. He said they were more interested in “pragmatic issues that would actually avoid this type of shooting.”
Anyway, Ducey said Democrats were never going to support the plan because it included more money for school resource officers, armed police in schools.
“I’m someone who just believes that someone who is trained in law enforcement inside a school is a good thing,” he said.
Democrats, however, suggested that the solution to campus violence is not more people with weapons on school grounds. And they said there is evidence that more police in school tends to lead to situations where discipline issues that should be handled administratively instead becoming criminal matters, particularly when minorities are involved.
Ducey said he remains cool to the idea pushed by some members of his own party to arm teachers and other school personnel.
The governor said he is “open minded” to the possibility of allowing a school employee with military or law-enforcement experience, or possibly special training, to carry a weapon.
“But it also brings complexity to it,” he said. “How would law enforcement, when they arrive, know who is a trained teacher?”
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